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[AI] accessible gps comparison
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himalaya singh Rawat
2010-02-20 04:39:28 UTC
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dear list member. i found this useful info. i believe these could be brought
to india and only way finder access is not the solution. in this world of
technology newer and newer things come and go.

Accessible GPS Comparison by Mike May

Since, as the saying goes, "Not one size fits all", it is good that there
are 7 accessible GPS systems now available to blind and visually impaired
people. Sendero Group has established itself as the Rolls Royce of
accessible GPS since its first product release in 2000. Mike May, Charles
LaPierre, the Sendero team and its partners, have expanded Sendero GPS to
three platforms. It is no longer a question _if a blind person should have
GPS but a question of _which GPS to have.

A primary consideration is the type of user interface, both for input and
output. Is a keypad, Braille keyboard or QWERTY keyboard best. All the units
have speech output and some can also have a Braille display. A Braille
display increases the price considerably.

What other applications does the user want besides GPS and does he or she
already have an accessible PDA? If so, there is just one GPS for each of the
PDAs and that makes the decision simple both in terms of convenience and
affordability.

The following bullets are meant to represent the distinguishing factors
between products. There are certainly many benefits of each of the products
not mentioned here. Other comparisons and product flyers are available to
learn about all the features. These are some distinguishing highlights.

Questions to ask yourself when evaluating the various accessible GPS
products:

Self, what keyboard do I prefer or can I get used to?

1. The QWERTY options are: VoiceNote QT or BrailleNote QT
2. The Braille keyboard options are: Voice Sense, Braille Sense,
VoiceNote mPower BT, BrailleNote mPower BT and BrailleNote PK

Self, would a Braille display be valuable to me and can I afford the
additional cost?

The options for a Braille display are: BrailleNote BT or QT and Braille
Sense.

Although an outboard display can be added to a mobile phone or Voice Sense,
this defeats the purpose of a small portable device and is not recommended.

Self, portability is important. What are the devices from smallest to
largest and what are their distinguishing features?

1. Mobile Geo on a Windows Smart phone with keypad interface, (powered by
Sendero GPS. 15 million points of interest, the smallest GPS device and
completely self contained. Since you have the phone anyway, adding the GPS
software adds no size, only cost to the equation. No monthly fees for the
GPS. Geo has the full power of Sendero's comprehensive software with
LookAround capabilities. It is the only GPS with vibration alerts in
addition to speech output.
2. Wayfinder Access on a mobile phone with keypad interface. This is also
small and self contained on a Symbian phone, mostly made by Nokia. The
software however is not nearly as full featured nor automatic as Geo and
there are fewer points of interest. Monthly data access fees apply. It has a
visual map display and fast route calculation.
3. Trekker Breeze is a self contained easy to use unit with 9 keys. It
does not provide automatic routing to commercial points of interest nor to
specific addresses. All routes must be recorded manually by walking or
driving the route and then retracing it. Under 2 million points of interest
in North America. Uses a Sirf 3 GPS receiver. 1.1 pounds.
4. Voice Sense with Sense Navigation (powered by Sendero GPS) has a
Braille style keyboard and speech output with a separate high sensitivity
GPS receiver. 15 million points of interest in North America. It weighs only
0.7 pounds.
5. BrailleNote PK 1.1 pounds, has an 18 character Braille display and
speech output and a Braille style keyboard. It runs the comprehensive
Sendero GPS software and uses a separate high sensitivity GPS receiver. 15
million points of interest in North America. Definitely the smallest unit
having a Braille display.
6. Trekker 3.0 is a two piece 1.7 pound unit with a 33 key user
interface. Its software covers most GPS functions. It has less than 2
million points of interest in North America.
7. VoiceNote QT or BT with the comprehensive Sendero GPS software, maps
and 15 million points of interest in North America. Weighs 2.8 pounds.
8. Braille Sense with Sense Navigation (powered by Sendero GPS, 15
million points of interest), weighs 2.4 pounds. 32 cell Braille display.
9. BrailleNote mPower BT or QT running the comprehensive Sendero GPS
software with maps and 15 million points in North America. 32-cell Weighs
3.1 pounds. Comes with 18 or 32 cell displays.

StreetTalk VIP for the Pac Mate from Freedom Scientific is slated to be
available mid 2009.

LoadStone is a free GPS program for Symbian phones. It does not have street
maps, only points of interest but the price is right.

The price equation depends on whether or not you already have or can benefit
from an accessible PDA like the BrailleNote or Braille Sense products. Here
are the accessible GPS list prices not including the PDA starting with the
least expensive.

Trekker Breeze, $895

Wayfinder Access, $1135 assuming $15 per month for data over 36 months.
Includes a screen reader and GPS receiver but not the phone.

Mobile Geo, $1250, includes a screen reader and GPS receiver but not a
phone.

Sendero GPS, $1595. BrailleNote or VoiceNote separate.

Sense Navigation, $1595. Requires a Braille Sense or Voice Sense
Trekker 3.0, $1695. Does not include the Maestro PDA
KARAN GUPTA
2010-02-20 10:01:14 UTC
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Hiya

My key issue is that, among all these compared GPS and A-GPS, related
hardwares and softwares, how many of these work speedly and
accurately. In all A-gps devices specifically meant for VH - almost
all of them require a live Internet connection because only GPS won't
be any use at all unless it is A-GPS equipped and in A-GPS either you
need a valid good GPS signals or a live Internet connection built-in
for your accurate current position that can assist you properly to
your destination. I've used some here in India but most of the times I
never got any valid GPS signals at all, which force me to use Internet
connection. Even after that, the cost of using that Internet
connection consistently is high enough 1-2 paisa/kb and I don't get
very much accuracy as it should be. On the other hand, the same
devices and softwares work almost perfectly in US & UK and I used more
features there in UK. Unless the connectivity options like a strong
GPS signals or good 3G services do not match to all those GPS gizmos
for VH, I can't think of owning the one. Please note that this preview
strictly meant for my Indian VH friends only.

Cheers
- KG



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accessible gps comparison
himalaya singh Rawat
2010-02-21 02:32:04 UTC
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hello pranav,

you are right. wayfinder access is needed but seeing the current market
situation i doubt vodafone will revive it. nokia has freed its map and it
works good. the only this is that it has to be made accessible.
Post by KARAN GUPTA
Hiya
My key issue is that, among all these compared GPS and A-GPS, related
hardwares and softwares, how many of these work speedly and accurately. In
all A-gps devices specifically meant for VH - almost all of them require a
live Internet connection because only GPS won't be any use at all unless it
is A-GPS equipped and in A-GPS either you need a valid good GPS signals or a
live Internet connection built-in for your accurate current position that
can assist you properly to your destination. I've used some here in India
but most of the times I never got any valid GPS signals at all, which force
me to use Internet connection. Even after that, the cost of using that
Internet connection consistently is high enough 1-2 paisa/kb and I don't get
very much accuracy as it should be. On the other hand, the same devices and
softwares work almost perfectly in US & UK and I used more features there in
UK. Unless the connectivity options like a strong GPS signals or good 3G
services do not match to all those GPS gizmos for VH, I can't think of
owning the one. Please note that this preview strictly meant for my Indian
VH friends only.
Cheers
- KG
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Manish Agrawal
2010-02-21 04:39:05 UTC
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Someone says below:<snip> I've used some here in India
Post by KARAN GUPTA
but most of the times I never got any valid GPS signals at all, which force
me to use Internet connection.</snip>
GPS signals are provided by satellites that are equally available in all
parts of the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gps
At any point in time, you need to see 4 gps satellites in the sky to start,
which can go down to 3 once you have an initial location fix. So, your
feeling that you get a better gps signal in the US or UK than in India is a
misconception.
Also, internet connectivity is required by most mobile based map providers,
including wayfinder/nokia/google and that is what uses internet much more
than a-gps. Internet connectivity on mobile phones is actually many times
cheaper in India as compared to the US. I have a fixed cost of rs. 99 on my
airtel connection for a month for about 50 MB (which I never use up with gps
alone) while it was about $40 a month on AT&T when I was in the US.

A-gps is actually very helpful in getting a quicker initial location fix or
for continuing navigation in patches where enough satellites may not be
visible for some reason.
Finally, if you have enough detailed maps, gps devices are just as
successful, if not more, in India as anywhere else in the world and I can
say that based on my daily usage here in Delhi and in other parts of the
globe.

-Manish

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of himalaya singh
Rawat
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:02 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

hello pranav,

you are right. wayfinder access is needed but seeing the current market
situation i doubt vodafone will revive it. nokia has freed its map and it
works good. the only this is that it has to be made accessible.
Post by KARAN GUPTA
Hiya
My key issue is that, among all these compared GPS and A-GPS, related
hardwares and softwares, how many of these work speedly and accurately. In
all A-gps devices specifically meant for VH - almost all of them require a
live Internet connection because only GPS won't be any use at all unless it
is A-GPS equipped and in A-GPS either you need a valid good GPS signals or a
live Internet connection built-in for your accurate current position that
can assist you properly to your destination. I've used some here in India
but most of the times I never got any valid GPS signals at all, which force
me to use Internet connection. Even after that, the cost of using that
Internet connection consistently is high enough 1-2 paisa/kb and I don't get
very much accuracy as it should be. On the other hand, the same devices and
softwares work almost perfectly in US & UK and I used more features there in
UK. Unless the connectivity options like a strong GPS signals or good 3G
services do not match to all those GPS gizmos for VH, I can't think of
owning the one. Please note that this preview strictly meant for my Indian
VH friends only.
Cheers
- KG
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Pranav Lal
2010-02-21 10:55:01 UTC
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<snip nokia has freed its map and it works good. the only this is that it
has to be made accessible.
PL] Which is the problem. I am told that The Nokia maps application requires
significant redesign before it can work accessibly.

Pranav
Pranav Lal
2010-02-21 02:13:47 UTC
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Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav
Manish Agrawal
2010-02-21 03:51:52 UTC
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A couple more things:
1. Not all internal receivers are poor. On newer phones like nokia n79 and
the apple iphone, the internal receivers are just as good and sometimes even
better than external receivers. Internal receivers are able to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers in addition to
satellites to triangulate). A-gps is available on only specific external
receivers.

2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).


-Manish

-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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Geetha Shamanna
2010-02-21 10:06:21 UTC
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Manish,

Loadstone can be used in conjunction with GoogleMaps. Visit
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl/index.php?l=en
Enter the source and target destination here, and this site produces a
checkpoints file using data from GoogleMaps. It is quite good.

Geetha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Manish Agrawal" <manish10 at gmail.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison


A couple more things:
1. Not all internal receivers are poor. On newer phones like nokia n79 and
the apple iphone, the internal receivers are just as good and sometimes even
better than external receivers. Internal receivers are able to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers in addition to
satellites to triangulate). A-gps is available on only specific external
receivers.

2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).


-Manish

-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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Asudani, Rajesh
2010-02-22 08:40:46 UTC
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Hi Geetha
Really a wonderful piece of information.
I find it quite accurate.
Now, After downloading checkpoint file, and importing to loadstone, I need to figure out how it announces while approaching the points.
I know there are settings for it, but can't seem to adjust them.



Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
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09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:36 PM
To: manish10 at gmail.com; accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Manish,

Loadstone can be used in conjunction with GoogleMaps. Visit
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl/index.php?l=en
Enter the source and target destination here, and this site produces a
checkpoints file using data from GoogleMaps. It is quite good.

Geetha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Manish Agrawal" <manish10 at gmail.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison


A couple more things:
1. Not all internal receivers are poor. On newer phones like nokia n79 and
the apple iphone, the internal receivers are just as good and sometimes even
better than external receivers. Internal receivers are able to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers in addition to
satellites to triangulate). A-gps is available on only specific external
receivers.

2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).


-Manish

-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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Satguru Rathi
2010-02-22 10:42:15 UTC
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Dear Rajesh sir and Geetha ma'am,

May I request to please explain about how to serch for map of a perticular
root. I am asking this because I tried to locate the root for Delhi's few
places but without any success. I also tried by entering area pincode but
that also did not give any result.

Waiting for your inputs.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
To: "Geetha Shamanna" <geetha at millernorbert.de>;
<accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison


Hi Geetha
Really a wonderful piece of information.
I find it quite accurate.
Now, After downloading checkpoint file, and importing to loadstone, I need
to figure out how it announces while approaching the points.
I know there are settings for it, but can't seem to adjust them.



Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:36 PM
To: manish10 at gmail.com; accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Manish,

Loadstone can be used in conjunction with GoogleMaps. Visit
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl/index.php?l=en
Enter the source and target destination here, and this site produces a
checkpoints file using data from GoogleMaps. It is quite good.

Geetha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Manish Agrawal" <manish10 at gmail.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison


A couple more things:
1. Not all internal receivers are poor. On newer phones like nokia n79 and
the apple iphone, the internal receivers are just as good and sometimes even
better than external receivers. Internal receivers are able to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers in addition to
satellites to triangulate). A-gps is available on only specific external
receivers.

2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).


-Manish

-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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Asudani, Rajesh
2010-02-22 11:21:40 UTC
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Dear Satguru
After going to:
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl/index.php?l=en

please enter coordinates of the place.
You may easily get Coordinates from
www.whatsmygps.com
or else, if it is a prominent place like railway station or something else, which has been labeled on google maps, entering its name will also give you the route.
It describes trun by turn route, thereafter, you may generate a loadstone checkpoint file also.

Regards

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--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
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Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



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Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:12 PM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Dear Rajesh sir and Geetha ma'am,

May I request to please explain about how to serch for map of a perticular
root. I am asking this because I tried to locate the root for Delhi's few
places but without any success. I also tried by entering area pincode but
that also did not give any result.

Waiting for your inputs.
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To: "Geetha Shamanna" <geetha at millernorbert.de>;
<accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison


Hi Geetha
Really a wonderful piece of information.
I find it quite accurate.
Now, After downloading checkpoint file, and importing to loadstone, I need
to figure out how it announces while approaching the points.
I know there are settings for it, but can't seem to adjust them.



Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:36 PM
To: manish10 at gmail.com; accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Manish,

Loadstone can be used in conjunction with GoogleMaps. Visit
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl/index.php?l=en
Enter the source and target destination here, and this site produces a
checkpoints file using data from GoogleMaps. It is quite good.

Geetha
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To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison


A couple more things:
1. Not all internal receivers are poor. On newer phones like nokia n79 and
the apple iphone, the internal receivers are just as good and sometimes even
better than external receivers. Internal receivers are able to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers in addition to
satellites to triangulate). A-gps is available on only specific external
receivers.

2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).


-Manish

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From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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Pranav Lal
2010-02-21 10:55:01 UTC
Permalink
Hi Manish,
<snip
2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).
PL] Quite so. Do let us know if you find something.

Pranav
KARAN GUPTA
2010-02-21 07:17:33 UTC
Permalink
Hiya
I also use google maps, which is built-in my iPhone 3GS and it works
very accurately with turn by turn directions. However, As I said in my
earlier post that accuracy and functionality would stll remain a
problem for some time in India, unless companies don't come out with
detailed maps. For example, google's street view. No matter, how
accurate or good your GPS systems are but I strongly do believe there
are still so many details are missing as it should be there on maps.
Also the updation process of maps in any GPS system is quite slow. I'd
always expect more and more details in any GPS system with better
accuracy and updation process so that a larger chunk of VH population
can take full advantage of this and won't hesitate to be dependant on
it to a certain extent. Exactly like JAWS, I wish GPS would work the
same way for VH sooner or later but I really don't think so that any
GPS is that reliable for VH because of the lack of details.
Cheers
-KG



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accessible gps comparison
KARAN GUPTA
2010-02-21 07:35:50 UTC
Permalink
Hello Manish

It's very practically correct rather than misconception of GPS
signals. As they vary place to place, about which we can exchange
views offline as well for a concrete conclusion because I consider
wikipedia academically incorrect reference to use, which is kind of
blog - any one can edit/write.

Cheers
- KG



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accessible gps comparison
Subramani L
2010-02-21 11:28:54 UTC
Permalink
Hai Karen:

Pl give me a short review on iPhone 3GS in terms of its performance and
accessibility.

Subramani



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[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of KARAN GUPTA
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:48 PM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hiya
I also use google maps, which is built-in my iPhone 3GS and it works
very accurately with turn by turn directions. However, As I said in my
earlier post that accuracy and functionality would stll remain a
problem for some time in India, unless companies don't come out with
detailed maps. For example, google's street view. No matter, how
accurate or good your GPS systems are but I strongly do believe there
are still so many details are missing as it should be there on maps.
Also the updation process of maps in any GPS system is quite slow. I'd
always expect more and more details in any GPS system with better
accuracy and updation process so that a larger chunk of VH population
can take full advantage of this and won't hesitate to be dependant on
it to a certain extent. Exactly like JAWS, I wish GPS would work the
same way for VH sooner or later but I really don't think so that any
GPS is that reliable for VH because of the lack of details.
Cheers
-KG



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Roopakshi Pathania
2010-02-21 18:00:25 UTC
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Hi,

My comments are inline.
Post by Manish Agrawal
Internal receivers are able
to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers
in addition to
satellites to triangulate).
If you have iPhone, then you have a technology that is even better than A-GPS. It is called Skyhook Wireless technology and it uses the Wi-Fi capabilities of a phone along with its GPS system and cell towers. The ability of Skyhook to glean the position information from 3 different sources makes it more accurate especially in places where satellite signals are weak.
Nokia?s Ovi Store and Apple?s app Store both have applications based on Skyhook
You can visit
http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyhook_Wireless
for more information.
The presence of additional technologies on a cell phone makes it even more useful than a stand-alone GPS navigation device.
Post by Manish Agrawal
I
have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn
direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder.
That's true, although Wayfinder's icons were most likely labeled. When you go into Talks Icons settings sheet, you can find direction related graphics labeled like Left turn, Right turn, etc.
Post by Manish Agrawal
Not to mention Google
maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements
with Google maps).
TalkBack with Google Maps does that, but I?m digressing away from the phones under discussion.



Regards

"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
~ Leonardo da Vinci
Anshul Kapoor
2010-02-22 07:39:50 UTC
Permalink
Sir,
You may like to visit mapmyindia.com
There go to the mobile navigation link and have a look at the product. It is compatible with several windows, HTC, black berry mobiles and the cost of the GPS software is Rs. 2490/- and also gives out voice prompts. They are having maps for 401 indian cities. Or you can call 011- 46009999 , Toll-free 1-800-11-9898 (BSNL/MTNL only)?to have more info about the product.

Thanks
Anshul Kapoor

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From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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KARAN GUPTA
2010-02-22 14:03:23 UTC
Permalink
It was exactly, I mentioned about in my earler post. After purchasing
the maps - I find it has very limited GPS satelite strength. I better
use google maps now.

Cheers
- KG



On 22 Feb 2010, at 01:09 PM, Anshul Kapoor <anshul.kapoor at gail.co.in>
Post by Anshul Kapoor
Sir,
You may like to visit mapmyindia.com
There go to the mobile navigation link and have a look at the
product. It is compatible with several windows, HTC, black berry
mobiles and the cost of the GPS software is Rs. 2490/- and also
gives out voice prompts. They are having maps for 401 indian cities.
Or you can call 011- 46009999 , Toll-free 1-800-11-9898 (BSNL/MTNL
only) to have more info about the product.
Thanks
Anshul Kapoor
-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-
bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison
Hi,
1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.
2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.
3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.
4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the
product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest
5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.
I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav
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Pranav Lal
2010-02-23 00:19:12 UTC
Permalink
Anshul,

I know about mapmeindia. the voice prompts are only when driving. the
software is not screen reader accessible.

Pranav

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[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Anshul Kapoor
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:10 PM
To: 'accessindia at accessindia.org.in'
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Sir,
You may like to visit mapmyindia.com
There go to the mobile navigation link and have a look at the product. It is
compatible with several windows, HTC, black berry mobiles and the cost of
the GPS software is Rs. 2490/- and also gives out voice prompts. They are
having maps for 401 indian cities. Or you can call 011- 46009999 ,
Toll-free 1-800-11-9898 (BSNL/MTNL only)?to have more info about the
product.

Thanks
Anshul Kapoor

-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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Subramani L
2010-02-22 08:14:34 UTC
Permalink
What about accessibility with Talks or MS?

Subramani



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Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:10 PM
To: 'accessindia at accessindia.org.in'
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Sir,
You may like to visit mapmyindia.com
There go to the mobile navigation link and have a look at the product. It is compatible with several windows, HTC, black berry mobiles and the cost of the GPS software is Rs. 2490/- and also gives out voice prompts. They are having maps for 401 indian cities. Or you can call 011- 46009999 , Toll-free 1-800-11-9898 (BSNL/MTNL only)?to have more info about the product.

Thanks
Anshul Kapoor

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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KARAN GUPTA
2010-02-22 14:40:20 UTC
Permalink
(snip>"If you have iPhone, then you have a technology that is even
better than A-GPS. It is called Skyhook Wireless technology and it
uses the Wi-Fi capabilities of a phone"

Please refer to the apple video podcast of 8th March 2008, where Steve
Jobs explained it's GPS capabilities. Technically speaking - no wi-fi
can be hooked with gps satelites because wi-fi a/b/g/n and newer wi-
max have their own limitations. Kindly refer to academic journals
either on 'emarald', 'wolframalfa' or 'google scholar' and many others
for technical books and magzines for a clear understanding on this
topic. No educated people or leading universities take refrences and
informations from unreliable sources like wikipedia. All I want to say
is, it has to be literally correct either by some highly reliable
writer or professors. Please don't take it personally, I'm saying it
very generally that the bibliography of any article you read so far
and give the reference here has to be academically written. IIT
(India) and MIT-US both are prestigious around the world and they
stringently prohibits the use of any wikipedia article. Anyone can
write there exacly like we do on blogs Many Thanks.

Cheers
- KG



On 22 Feb 2010, at 12:53 AM, accessindia-request at accessindia.org.in
Post by Roopakshi Pathania
If you have iPhone, then you have a technology that is even better
than A-GPS. It is called Skyhook Wireless technology and it uses the
Wi-Fi capabilities of a phone
Asudani, Rajesh
2010-02-24 07:27:55 UTC
Permalink
Hi Geetha
I get it, but on importing the txt file created by that site, loadstone says: conpacting database, zero points copied zero points imported etc.

I feel I am a bit unsure about procedure, perhaps.
Will go through manual once again and if the need be, would you be kind enough to spare some time on skype explaining the stuff to me?


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349

Skype: rajeshasudani1


-----Original Message-----
From: Geetha Shamanna [mailto:geetha at millernorbert.de]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:37 PM
To: Asudani, Rajesh
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi Rajesh,

Once you copy the checkpoints file for a specific route to your phone, you
will have to load it. After starting Loadstone, there is an option in the
menu which does this. Loadstone starts announcing the checkpoints only after
you load the specific checkpoints file.

Regards
Geetha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
To: "Geetha Shamanna" <geetha at millernorbert.de>;
<accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: [AI] accessible gps comparison


Hi Geetha
Really a wonderful piece of information.
I find it quite accurate.
Now, After downloading checkpoint file, and importing to loadstone, I need
to figure out how it announces while approaching the points.
I know there are settings for it, but can't seem to adjust them.



Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:36 PM
To: manish10 at gmail.com; accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Manish,

Loadstone can be used in conjunction with GoogleMaps. Visit
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl/index.php?l=en
Enter the source and target destination here, and this site produces a
checkpoints file using data from GoogleMaps. It is quite good.

Geetha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Manish Agrawal" <manish10 at gmail.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison


A couple more things:
1. Not all internal receivers are poor. On newer phones like nokia n79 and
the apple iphone, the internal receivers are just as good and sometimes even
better than external receivers. Internal receivers are able to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers in addition to
satellites to triangulate). A-gps is available on only specific external
receivers.

2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).


-Manish

-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison

Hi,

1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.

2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.

3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.

4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest

5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.

I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav




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Divyanshu Ganatra
2010-02-25 01:34:38 UTC
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Hi Rajesh,
copy the text file into the checkPoints folder in LS. Post that
whenever you want to use that route load that perticular check points
file, and you are ready to go.
Let me know if you need any further help.
Divyanshu
Post by Asudani, Rajesh
Hi Geetha
I get it, but on importing the txt file created by that site, loadstone
says: conpacting database, zero points copied zero points imported etc.
I feel I am a bit unsure about procedure, perhaps.
Will go through manual once again and if the need be, would you be kind
enough to spare some time on skype explaining the stuff to me?
Regards
"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."
--Arthur C. Clarke
(Rajesh Asudani)
Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Skype: rajeshasudani1
-----Original Message-----
From: Geetha Shamanna [mailto:geetha at millernorbert.de]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:37 PM
To: Asudani, Rajesh
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison
Hi Rajesh,
Once you copy the checkpoints file for a specific route to your phone, you
will have to load it. After starting Loadstone, there is an option in the
menu which does this. Loadstone starts announcing the checkpoints only after
you load the specific checkpoints file.
Regards
Geetha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasudani at rbi.org.in>
To: "Geetha Shamanna" <geetha at millernorbert.de>;
<accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: [AI] accessible gps comparison
Hi Geetha
Really a wonderful piece of information.
I find it quite accurate.
Now, After downloading checkpoint file, and importing to loadstone, I need
to figure out how it announces while approaching the points.
I know there are settings for it, but can't seem to adjust them.
Regards
"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."
--Arthur C. Clarke
(Rajesh Asudani)
Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:36 PM
To: manish10 at gmail.com; accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison
Manish,
Loadstone can be used in conjunction with GoogleMaps. Visit
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl/index.php?l=en
Enter the source and target destination here, and this site produces a
checkpoints file using data from GoogleMaps. It is quite good.
Geetha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Manish Agrawal" <manish10 at gmail.com>
To: <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison
1. Not all internal receivers are poor. On newer phones like nokia n79 and
the apple iphone, the internal receivers are just as good and sometimes even
better than external receivers. Internal receivers are able to use a
technology called a-gps (which uses data from mobile towers in addition to
satellites to triangulate). A-gps is available on only specific external
receivers.
2. When Pranav says below that only wayfinder and loadstone have maps for
India, he probably means the only 2 accessible products. Nokia maps is free
and they also have detailed maps for Delhi (and I am assuming for other
Indian cities as well) but are not usable with talks. I have used nokia maps
with sighted assistance and they give turn by turn direction announcements
that are just as good as wayfinder. Not to mention Google maps (I am looking
for a product that will give turn by turn announcements with Google maps).
-Manish
-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:44 AM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison
Hi,
1. The only two GPS programs that work reliably in India are Wayfinder
Access and loadstone.
2. Accuracy is dependent on the GPS receiver you use. I use GPS heavily and
get accuracy up to 5 meters. I have an external GPS receiver. Most internal
GPS receivers are of poor quality so are less accurate and take a long time
to acquire a signal as compared to external GPS receivers.
3. I have contacted a lot of companies to ask if they have maps for India.
GPS per se will work anywhere in the world but having maps for that area is
the key issue here. They do not consider India a big enough market.
4. Wayfinder Access is an offshoot of a product called Wayfinder. This
product is meant for the main stream and does have good maps for India. This
is what I use everyday. Unfortunately, Vodaphone, who owns the product has
discontinued further development so we are in a bind. Please sign the
petition at http://www.talknav.com/protest
5. Loadstone is an open source product and the users have to make the maps
themselves. The problem with loadstone is that it does not provide routing
capabilities so you will not get turn-by-turn directions unless you define
them while planning your route. The bigger problem is that with loadstone,
you do not know immediately that you are off track. It will not plot an
alternative route for you. This is again a limitation of the kind of map
data that is freely available. You do not have information about streets
etc., in freely available map data.
I hope that clarifies the GPS issue.
Pranav
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Roopakshi Pathania
2010-02-26 14:57:40 UTC
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Hi,
Technically speaking - no wi-fi can be hooked with gps
satelites because wi-fi a/b/g/n and newer wi-max have their
own limitations.
There is no ?hooking? of Wi-Fi to GPS satellites involved. Skyhook uses Wi-Fi hotspot locations alongside GPS and cell towers location in a complex algorithm to calculate a more accurate position. Perhaps you should have read the Wikipedia entry after all.
It provides the same information as the company?s official page that was also mentioned in my email.
on this topic. No educated people or leading universities
take refrences and informations from unreliable sources like
wikipedia.
Academic references are only made while writing a research paper, and not on casual lists. Of course if one doesn?t know the difference in the style of writing a research paper and an email, this can be a big problem.
I?m on several mailing lists and forums full of Economists, Mathematicians and Statisticians and none of them make use of references to papers to explain concepts that already exist in the public domain, in fact guess what? They link to Wikipedia to clarify the basic idea behind the concept. Wikipedia contains further references that can be followed up to authentic sources.
The job of Wikipedia is to give a quick overview of a concept and provide further more useful sources, which it does quite well.
Anyone can write there
exacly like we do on blogs
Blogs are also written by Nobel laureates. The blogs written by famous Mathematicians and scientists have a huge impact on prevalent ideas and eventually on research that finally takes place.

For those interested, here is a comprehensive list of GPS software available for India. In all likelihood, they are all inaccessible.
http://www.gpsinindia.com/index.php?n=Main.Software

"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
~ Leonardo da Vinci
Subramani L
2010-02-26 16:15:41 UTC
Permalink
Hai:

Let me commend you for your excellent answers. In addition, I must tell
you all that references for certain topics are quite good in Wikipedia,
especially for those topics that are serious and often searched. For
instance, I profusely use wikipedia to understand technology concepts
like cloud computing, FPGA chips etc. I find them to be reliable and if
they are not Wikipedia is very clear about it right at the beginning so
that we are not entirely misled by the information. So it works well
that way.

Subramani



-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-bounces at accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Roopakshi
Pathania
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:28 PM
To: accessindia at accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison


Hi,
Technically speaking - no wi-fi can be hooked with gps
satelites because wi-fi a/b/g/n and newer wi-max have their
own limitations.
There is no "hooking" of Wi-Fi to GPS satellites involved. Skyhook uses
Wi-Fi hotspot locations alongside GPS and cell towers location in a
complex algorithm to calculate a more accurate position. Perhaps you
should have read the Wikipedia entry after all.
It provides the same information as the company's official page that was
also mentioned in my email.
on this topic. No educated people or leading universities
take refrences and informations from unreliable sources like
wikipedia.
Academic references are only made while writing a research paper, and
not on casual lists. Of course if one doesn't know the difference in the
style of writing a research paper and an email, this can be a big
problem.
I'm on several mailing lists and forums full of Economists,
Mathematicians and Statisticians and none of them make use of references
to papers to explain concepts that already exist in the public domain,
in fact guess what? They link to Wikipedia to clarify the basic idea
behind the concept. Wikipedia contains further references that can be
followed up to authentic sources.
The job of Wikipedia is to give a quick overview of a concept and
provide further more useful sources, which it does quite well.
Anyone can write there
exacly like we do on blogs
Blogs are also written by Nobel laureates. The blogs written by famous
Mathematicians and scientists have a huge impact on prevalent ideas and
eventually on research that finally takes place.

For those interested, here is a comprehensive list of GPS software
available for India. In all likelihood, they are all inaccessible.
http://www.gpsinindia.com/index.php?n=Main.Software

"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to
return."
~ Leonardo da Vinci






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